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Update 10/20: RequiresHate has posted an apology for the actions of her RH blog. However, she's also disclaimed responsibility for threats given out under the Winterfox brand. She claims that some, such as threatening an Asian woman with being raped by dogs, was the work of an impostor. I haven't been able to find any earlier mentions of an impostor, but large swathes of both the RH blog and Winterfox's backlog of comments remain deleted, so that's probably impossible to verify unless a witness wants to speak up. She's also apologized on A Bee Writes, her professional bog.

There's a theme of "I was an asshole but I've gotten better as the years have passed," which is something most of us have probably lived through ourselves -- however, Winterfox harassed a rape victim for six months as late as last year, so any decrease in assholery is going to be a very recent phenomenon. Intentionally or not, these apologies seem to further the narrative that the controversy is primarily about RequiresHate's book reviews rather than Winterfox's decade-long troll campaign. They also repeat assertions that all of Sriduangkaew's bad behavior was in the distant past, despite her harassment continuing into 2013 at least.

An open question to pro sci-fi: since Sriduangkaew has admitted she was wrong, can we stop arguing it's okay to threaten women of color with rape and assault if someone we like is doing it?
 

I had to stop following this wank for a couple of days to meet some RL deadlines. I wished someone had made a roundup post to summarize what's going on -- so I'm making one. If you're not interested in seeing some of your favorite sci-fi and fantasy authors make excuses for abusers, enable trolling, and belittle women of color who have received rape threats, stop reading now. It gets ugly.

This post is a work in progress and the wank is ongoing. Please feel free to comment with updates, corrections, and discussion. Anon comments are turned on, but I will delete with extreme prejudice at the first whiff of trolling.

Here's a timeline of events for this most recent blowup. 

  

 

Who is Benjanun Sriduangkaew?

Benjanun Sriduangkaew is an up-and-coming science fiction author from Thailand. First published in 2012, she has been nominated for a Campbell award for best new writer and her stories have been reviewed favorably in several publications. Her public persona is cheerful, friendly, and new to the genre. She blogs at A Bee Writes and on Twitter.

 

Requires Only That You Hate is Sriduangkaew's sci-fi/fantasy review blog which she runs under the pseudonym RequiresHate. ROTYH is famous for using violent rhetoric in reviews, including some that amount to murder fantasies, but has received some measure of critical acclaim among sci-fi and fantasy pros. (Sriduangkaew has recently deleted many of her most vitriolic reviews, following a long-established pattern of deleting posts that make her look bad.) Though RequiresHate reviewed many epic fantasy novels, Sriduangkaew claimed not to have read epic fantasy at all until last month. RequiresHate also has a Twitter feed. [Edit: that feed is now defunct.]

Winterfox is Sriduangkaew's long-standing troll pseudonym, which has been active since at least 2004. As Winterfox, she's famous for directing threats of rape and assault at various people, particularly women, especially queer women and women of color. For example, she threatened one Central Asian woman with rape by dogs for the crime of liking different videogames than Winterfox.

She shut down discussion in 50books_poc by directing personal attacks at authors such as Cindy Pon, harassing commenters who liked books she didn't, and making racist comments to various minority members of the comm -- one famous example involved accusing a Cambodian woman of crying "white woman's tears." 50books_poc was a community dedicated to reading and discussing the works of authors of color. Winterfox's personal hatred for certain authors of color and anyone who enjoyed reading them lead to the death of the comm.

In an unrelated incident, she drove one woman to attempt suicide. (Some of her fans then mocked the victim for the attempt.) Here is the account of a rape victim whom Winterfox harassed for at least six months in 2013. Any claims that Winterfox stopped harassing people years ago are lies, unless last year is now the distant past. Here is an account of a victim from 2012.

I can't sum up ten years of trolling in one post, but you can get a decent overview here. Known Winterfox aliases include acrackedmoon, pyrofennec, Valse de Lune, and Lesifoere. In brief, she's not one of the top ten misogynist assholes on the Internet, but that's not for lack of trying.

What the hell's happening?

It's been public knowledge for years that RequiresHate and Winterfox are one and the same. Meanwhile, Benjanun Sriduangkaew appeared to be just what she claimed: a sweet, friendly newcomer to sci-fi.

Last week, however, editor Nick Mamatas publicly outed Sriduangkaew as RequiresHate/Winterfox. His motivations for doing this are unclear, and it seems to have been done without Sriduangkaew's permission. As Mamatas has published several of her stories -- and therefore written several of her paychecks -- there're some serious ethical concerns about his actions here. (Full disclosure: Nick's banned from commenting in my space, but you can find him speaking in his own defense, or not, just about everywhere.)

EDIT: There's some debate over whether or not Nick Mamatas was in fact the person to out her. This comment was posted in early September, referring to rumors circulating among SFF pros that RequiresHate and Benjanun Sriduangkaew were the same person. I'm leaving the link to Mamatas's post up as the source for now until I can get some more clarity, because the Mamatas post is where most of the people who aren't SFF pros (including yours truly) heard it first.

This outing followed a post by author Tricia Sullivan in which she did not name names but discussed her recent experiences with a "toxic person" -- meaning Sriduangkaew. Sullivan reports that Sriduangkaew had befriended her and Sullivan had recommended Sriduangkaew to a couple of editors. When Sullivan later found out that Sriduangkaew is Winterfox, Sullivan privately contacted those editors and withdrew her recommendation, not wanting to be associated with a troll. Again, Tricia Sullivan did not name the person she was talking about and did not publicly out Sriduangkaew as Winterfox. Nick Mamatas did that. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.

Following Mamatas's outting of Sriduangkaew, reviewer James Nicoll made a post in his LiveJournal, where the comments quickly exploded. (Note: Nicoll froze the post, but only after several days of single-handedly moderating a large, intense, and often nasty discussion across a national holiday.) This is where the discussion gets really ugly, because this is where Winterfox's victims start coming forward.

A sample: She said, posting as Winterfox not all that long ago, in a posting that has now been deleted in a semi-private venue, that I ought to be raped by dogs. (This is bad enough as it is, but I come from a country where dogs have traditionally been seen as distasteful or, for lack of a better word, unclean. She knew this; my being an American woman POC formerly from this country was explicitly part of why she targeted me. So it was meant as both a sexualized and culturalized threat and insult.)

Friends of Winterfox showed up to explain why rape threats aren't really threats, why women of color being threatened with rape is okay as long as it's another woman of color doing it, and that the correct response to feeling threatened is to toughen up.

Where discussion's taking place.

This is a list only. I can't vouch for or recommend any of these places in particular.

A lot of the current discussion among SFF pros is taking place on Twitter.
Discussion on RPG.net
Discussion on Dear Author 
Discussion at Absolute Write

Discussion at OhNoTheyDidn't [locked to comm members]
Discussion on tumblr [one of possibly many]
Discussion of the apology at James Nicoll's journal

Author Tori Truslow postsabout the Sullivan/Sriduangkaew feud

Who's siding with whom.

I'm listing only SFF professionals who have made explicit statements one way or another. I'm not linking to random fans. Also, a lot of writers have sent messages of support to Sriduangkaew on Twitter, but many were told only that she is a young writer feeling some heat for controversial opinions. At least one author has retracted her support and expressed anger at being mislead, so please keep that in mind before judging anyone on the basis of a single statement. The assholes here are making plenty of statements to judge.

Defending abuse

Djibril Al-Ayad
K Tempest Bradford (EDIT: retracting my editorializing here until I have links to back it up)
Jaymee Goh (here's a cap of a deleted post where she asks victims to stay silent)
Kameron Hurley 
Keffy R. M. Kehrli (also here)
Alex Dally Macfarlane
Nick Mamatas

EDIT: One of the names I listed under "defending abuse" was not a pro writer, violating my own rule. I've removed the name and I apologize for the error.

Defending the victims:

Polenth Blake
Kate Elliot
Caitlin Kiernan
Rochita Loenen-Ruiz
Tricia Sullivan

Ambivalent:

Charles Stross

Rumors, Distortions, and Lies (with the Occassional Truth)

I'm going to try to sort out the rumors that are flying around.

CLAIM
Liz Williams or Tricia Sullivan publicly outed Benjanun Sriduangkaew as RequiresHate/Winterfox.
Status: FALSE
Nick Mamatas did the outing.

CLAIM
"Benjanun Sriduangkaew" is a pseudonym.
Status: UNCONFIRMED
The only evidence for this so far is a comment from Nick Mamatas that he doubts Sriduangkaew is the author's real name, combined with a general sentiment that Winterfox wouldn't know the truth if it bit her. Anything else is simply speculation, and to be honest some of it sounds pretty racist on the basis of her having a "funny name" so let's not, okay?

CLAIM
Authors Liz Williams and Tricia Sullivan have conducted a poison pen campaign to ruin Sriduangkaew's career.
Status: SORT OF
Sullivan says she's contacted editors to withdraw her recommendation of Sridaengkeuw and has privately warned friends about Sridaengkeuw's habits. Whether this constitutes smearing a new writer or simply giving fair warning about a troll depends a lot on what you think about people being held responsible for their actions.

CLAIM
Sriduangkaew has contacted publishers and reviewers (falsely) accusing numerous authors of racist harassment and asking that those writers be blackballed -- often writers with whom she was publicly friendly.
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Tricia Sullivan's post says this, and it fits Winterfox's pattern, but there's as yet no proof. Nick Mamatas has also made statements which suggest this is true, but it's unclear if he's working from firsthand information himself.

CLAIM
No one speaking out against Sriduangkaew has spoken out against white male harassers in the past.
Status: FALSE.
Complete pile of horseshit. Here are the results of five seconds worth of googling by a kind anon.

CLAIM
Everyone speaking out against Sriduangkaew is an author angry that their books were reviewed poorly on Requires Only That You Hate.
Status: FALSE
Winterfox has been trolling for ten years. The majority of her victims are not and have never been published authors. Her ROTYH reviews, while often pretty nasty in and of themselves, are not the issue. Using violent sexual threats to frighten women into silence for a decade straight is the issue.

CLAIM
Winterfox was only actively trolling for a year or two, and she was 19 at the time and too young to know better. Status: AGAINST THE LAWS OF PHYSICS Unless she was 19 years old for 10 years, this is a lie.

CLAIM
All the anonymous comments on James Nicoll's post were from one or two IP addresses.
Status: FALSE
James Nicoll confirms that this is false. He also questions how whoever started this rumor purported to know, since only Nicoll himself can see the IP addresses on his journal.

CLAIM Tricia Sullivan wrote a super racist book.
Status: MAYBE. IRRELEVANT.
If every single person Sriduangkaew has abused was a sockpuppet of Tricia Sullivan, this would be relevant. Also if Sriduangkaew has developed the power of time travel, allowing her to wreak vengeance in 2004 for a book that was written in 2012. Listen, for all I know, Sullivan's the Grand High Elf of her local KKK. That has absolutely nothing to do with Sriduangkaew's abuse of other people.

CLAIM
Polenth Blake's post about abuse didn't specifically mention that it's wrong to abuse white people, therefore Blake thinks it's okay to abuse white people.
Status: ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS. ARE YOU.
Look, fellow white people. It's okay not to talk about us in every single post! Really it is! It doesn't mean someone's out to get us if we're not the topic of the conversation.

CLAIM
Sriduangkaew has a creepy stalker following her around.
Status: TRUE
There's a person by the name of Roguey a.k.a. creepalicious popping up here and there. I don't want to link them just in case they get off on the attention, but the long and short of it is this person seems to have met Winterfox on RPGcodex and gone from there. There's no indication this is someone involved in the current wank under another name.

CLAIM
Everyone speaking out against Sriduangkaew is white.
Status: FALSE
Have you read a single damned thing I've linked?

An anon at loudlysingcuckoo@gmail.com has offered to be a sympathetic ear to victims who want to come forward, anonymously or not. I've spoken with this person privately and can confirm that this person is absolutely not Sriduangkaew nor a friend of Sriduangkaew. I'm not otherwise involved and will not see any messages sent there.

The long and short of it is that there are two sides in this wank. One side, Sriduangkaew's side, thinks it's cool to threaten women of color with being raped by dogs. The other side thinks that's bullshit. Let me make it more explicit: Sriduangkaew is a racist, misogynistic bully, and those people defending her are of necessity defending racism and misogyny.

Think about that for a minute.

Sriduangkaew isn't the worst asshole in sci-fi. That means that sci-fi has a problem with assholes, not that it's okay to threaten women with rape and murder. When your best defense is "but little Timmy did it first" you're thinking on the level of a particularly spiteful five year old. When you want abuse victims to stay silent because speaking up might hurt their abuser's career you're contributing to abuse.

Many of the people currently defending Sriduangkaew and trying to silence her victims are people who spoke out loudly against James Frenkel and Rene Walling, two recent abusers whom the sci-fi community harbored and enabled for years before finally rejecting. Just goes to show that it's all in who you know -- exactly the same things that were said in defense of Frenkel, Walling, and every other abuser in history are getting said now, by people who know better. Sriduangkaew's friends are trying to spin this story to make her the victim and make the victims afraid. To hell with that.

Crossposted at Dreamwidth.

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Date: 2014-10-17 11:42 pm (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Love is greater than anger, hope is greater than fear, optimism is better than despair (@ Jack Layton quote)
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Have also spoken with the loudlysingcuckoo@gmail.com anon and can confirm that they are definitely independent of Sriduangkaew. If that helps.
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Date: 2014-10-17 11:42 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for this, it's a community service. (She spells her last name Sriduangkaew.)

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Date: 2014-10-18 01:18 am (UTC)
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In favor of Sriduangkaew:

Cecily Kane, Alex Dally MacFarlane, Jaymee Goh. But that's all on Twitter. You probably know that... maybe Storify it?

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Date: 2014-10-18 02:10 am (UTC)
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Also remember to add James May to the list of people against Sriduangkaew. For completeness' sake.

K. Tempest Bradford was one of the people Winterfox spent a lot of time shitflinging and harassing in 50booksPOC btw, so maybe describing her as Sriduangkaew's Friend isn't entirely fair.

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Date: 2014-10-18 03:59 am (UTC)
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Thanks for this. I put up a timeline on my own blog. Slightly different focus, but hopefully also useful. http://got-quiet.livejournal.com/19172.html

Date: 2014-10-18 05:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello, I am from FFA. Here're some links that've popped up in recent discussions that you might've not made it to yet:

http://creativedoubledipper.blogspot.ca/2013/05/cerulean-sins-chapter-47-triggers.html - an account from a rape survivor who was shouted down and shamed for her assertion that some depictions of rape in fiction can be therapeutic and validating for survivors, and may contribute to recovery. This happened on LKH_Lashouts, another comm that WF essentially pulverized into dust. WF then stalked this woman online for 6 months, in 2013 - the date is important, because it demonstrates that WF has not really changed her stripes in relatively recent years. I believe this person is the same as http://miwrighting.tumblr.com/tagged/winterfox, given that they describe a very similar account (with several other recent tumblr posts related to this topic).

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739504-When-An-Author-That-Once-You-Liked - discussion on RPG.net, both pro- and anti-WF sides in attendance (along with some confused bystanders).

http://dearauthor.com/features/industry-news/tuesday-news-dropbox-drops-files-youtube-stars-getting-book-deals-sff-author-revealed-as-controversial-blogger-and-catherine-roach-on-romance-claims/ - Dear Author reports on the controversy

http://www.awesomedome.com/requires-only-that-youre-fake/ - I don't really know who the author of this account is, but they're apparently friendly enough with the non-Top Gear James May (nTG JM, perhaps?), so bear that in mind. But it may offer new insights into why the outing was done in the first place.

http://www.larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=248784 - very old forum posts from WF, demonstrating that she was doin' her thing way back in 2003. Obtained initially from here: http://ffrantsanon.livejournal.com/1438.html?thread=3271070#t3271070

http://tyrell.livejournal.com/847819.html?thread=7725515#t7725515 - this link has a good write-up of some of WF's bad behavior, but this comment is notable because it is an anonymous testimonial from someone bullied into silence by WF. Because this was posted in 2012, I think it is important to our current discussion because it demonstrates an ongoing pattern of behavior.

I have a number of screencaps from the Requires Hate twitter feed, and a screencap of the 'white women's tears' comment directed at the WOC on 50bookspoc, but these were all collected in recent discussions (I haven't capped anything personally). Let me know if you'd like them uploaded.

Also could I suggest that you add a link to Nick Mamata's original ello post in the "debunked claims" section? I'm just really getting tired of people blaming others for what really happened.

Date: 2014-10-18 03:55 pm (UTC)
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Where is this alleged friendship between Robert Lee and James May coming from?

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Date: 2014-10-18 07:11 am (UTC)
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Tori Truslow: Tweets 1 (https://twitter.com/toritruslow/status/521959899933446144), . Dreamwidth post (http://garlicandsapphires.dreamwidth.org/9516.html). (https://twitter.com/toritruslow/status/521966093259538433)

Date: 2014-10-18 07:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Rochita Loenen Ruiz was the recent target of attempted blackballing by WF/BS. She has a post refuting the allegation that she did the outing: http://rcloenenruiz.com/2014/10/17/angry-brown-woman-mode/

Date: 2014-10-18 08:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Jaymee Goh attempts to clarify her stance: http://jhameia.dreamwidth.org/152357.html Expresses support for victims but says that WOC solidarity should take precedence over anything and that she doesn't understand how outing the RH/BS connection helps RH's victims.

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Date: 2014-10-18 12:38 pm (UTC)
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Djibril Al-Ayad is editor of The Future Fire:

http://futurefire.net/about/index.html

Which published Sriduangkaew's first pro fiction:

http://futurefire.net/2012.24/fiction/machinegods.html

And says:

https://twitter.com/thefuturefire/status/523431658914332672
https://twitter.com/thefuturefire/status/523431707262078976

"I don't hear anyone spending 1% of the space on clear and documented bullying and abuse here." / "and I'm sick of the fucking hypocrisy."

However, he is referring to bullying and abuse *of Sriduangkaew*:

https://twitter.com/thefuturefire/status/523434265691058176

"Still sad that people are revisiting 2, 3 and 5 yr-old fights, that no new enlightenment is going to come from…" / "…the very same stories incidentally that are being used to justify current & self-confessed bullying against a young writer…" / "…and the "fact checkers" and "not taking sides" folks are not writing posts and wiki pages about that bullying."

See also:

https://twitter.com/thefuturefire/with_replies

they're one who nominated her for a Hugo as RH

Date: 2014-10-18 03:01 pm (UTC)
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but has also disappeared the post - even the google cache has been scrubbed now but the link remains at the FFA wiki:

http://djibrilalayad.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/why-i-am-nominating-requires-hate-for.html

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Date: 2014-10-18 12:45 pm (UTC)
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Fact-checks of the fact check:

1) The requireshate Twitter feed appears to be gone

2) I think claims about pro/anti people's behaviour should be backed up with links to specifics -- Tempest was defending Sriduangkaew on Twitter, but I can't find her mocking victims?

3) Cecily Kane isn't a pro, so should probably be removed from the list

4) Should probably mention that Sriduangkaew/RH appears to have a genuine stalker (the one who showed up in Nicoll's comments), which is one reason a lot of people are outraged about her outing

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Date: 2014-10-18 01:25 pm (UTC)
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Regarding the age thing: Even if Winterfox had somehow managed to be 19 years old for ten years... as someone pointed out on f_fa, we teach LITTLE KIDS that bullying is wrong, and we expect them to understand the lesson. There is no point in this saga at which Winterfox was too young to know what she was doing.

Perhaps a chronology would help clarify these points. I have seen a birth year for BS bandied around, but I don't know if it was accurate. If it was, she started Winterfox's abusive career when she was in her late teens, and would be in her late twenties now. Is there any reliable source for her birth year?

Date: 2014-10-18 02:20 pm (UTC)
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DA

I think personal details like birth year, location, etc should be off-limits in this debate. She should've known better regardless of her age, and it feeds into this victim mindset of her/her supporters if personal details come into play. She DOES have a stalker (creepalicious, from James Nicoll's post, who originated we believe from rpgcodex).

Date: 2014-10-18 02:22 pm (UTC)
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The comparison with Frenkel and Walling is weak sauce and needlessly inflammatory in an already tense situation. Those two physically assaulted women; the worst confirmed abuse RH/Winterfox is accused off is online bullying.

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First outing

Date: 2014-10-18 03:30 pm (UTC)
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The earliest public connection of RH/BS I saw was here, quite a while before Nick Mamatas posted about it: http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/5077746.html?thread=95141362#t95141362.

(frozen) Re: First outing

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Date: 2014-10-18 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you so much for doing this. From replies to this tweet https://twitter.com/rcloenenruiz/status/523080099772784640 it would appear that neither Elizabeth Bear or Juliet E McKenna are buying the winterfox/BS line.

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Some corrections needed

Date: 2014-10-18 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Given that this post has been widely linked to, I think you should make the corrections that people have suggested. There are a number of factual errors and I think that saying that people protecting Requires Hate are 'cool' with rape threats is hyperbolic when what they are is happy to defend and even publish someone who makes rape threats.

Hyperbole really doesn't help your case. The facts speak loud enough on their own.

- @ruthlesscult on Twitter

Date: 2014-10-18 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://blog.polenthblake.com/2014/10/requires-only-that-you-trust.html

Who is Benjanun?

Date: 2014-10-18 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Under the section "Who is Benjanun..." you should include her own statements.

October 4, 2013
http://chieandweng.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/a-process-conversation-with-benjanun-sriduangkaew/

When asked for how long she has been writing, Benjanun claimed she started writing in 2011, in her early 30s. This may or may not be a contradiction. [Perhaps she assumed the question meant how long she has been writing professionally and therefore did not think it necessary to mention all the years she blogged or wrote fan-fiction.]

When asked what her first exposure to the genre was, Benjanun replied that it was magic realism and contemporary lit. [This seems to contradict her long history of pseudonymous posting and blogging on gaming sites, livejournal communities, and her blog as ROTYH.]

When asked the reasons behind her decisions to write in English, Benjanun expressed that the language barrier was a struggle: "Language was a barrier initially and I had to struggle with not being sure that my English is 100% good enough." [This directly contradicts her fluency in English as ROTYH and her other pseudonyms.]

February 20, 2014
http://sentidodelamaravilla.blogspot.ca/2014/02/interview-with-benjanun-sriduangkaew.html

Repeats her claim that she started writing three years ago (2011).

May 28, 2014
http://www.diverse-pages.com/2014/05/author-interview-benjanun-sriduangkaew.html

When asked how long she's been writing, she repeats her claim that she's been writing since late 2011. When asked if she's faced any challenges writing characters of color she replied that "both editors and reviewers have been very lovely about things." [If the alleged whisper campaign started before May 2014, it does not appear to have hurt her reputation as a writer.]

August 12, 2014
http://www.afantasticallibrarian.com/2014/08/author-query-benjanun-sriduangkaew.html

When discussing the "Hegemony" in her latest novella, she had this to say about Twitter: "While this makes dissemination of information more pluralistic, it does strike me as a little scary we trust what we see online fairly easily, as so many Internet hoaxes (and Snopes) have attested." [This is an interesting view, given that she is in fact ROTYH and has been manipulating how others perceive her new persona as Benjanun the writer.]

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Date: 2014-10-18 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
More active discussion:
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9130442
http://wildunicornherd.tumblr.com/post/100040168385#notes
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/91782545.html?thread=15984305297#t15984305297

Date: 2014-10-19 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Note that the OTND post is locked.

Date: 2014-10-19 12:03 am (UTC)
evewithanapple: a woman of genius | <lj user="evewithanapple"</lj> (Default)
From: [personal profile] evewithanapple
Thank you for writing this.

Date: 2014-10-19 04:25 am (UTC)
fridgepunk: (Exoticising the otter)
From: [personal profile] fridgepunk
Addendum to the Suicide Attempt (from the RPG.net thread), what looks like a friend of BS says that BS apologised to Kari Sperring via a third party:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739504-When-An-Author-That-Once-You-Liked&p=18399263#post18399263

That post contains a screen cap of a twitter conversation between Sperring and RH taken by RH, so it's possibly cropped short of any actual nastiness that went down, and there's no mention of who the third party was, and I've seen no mention of the apology elsewhere nor what Sperring's reaction to the apology was (because there are apologies... and then there are GOOD apologies). So make of that all as you will.

(note to people who might even think of spamming Sperring with questions about this: She seems to be staying out of things so far and she could be doing that for reasons of her own mental self-care e.g. she doesn't want to kill herself or be put into a mental state where she's tempted to, so please please don't be assholes to her, especially if you're tempted to do so "for a good cause")
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Date: 2014-10-19 09:17 am (UTC)
nenya_kanadka: Wonder Woman poster (kneeling with sword) ([fandom] Captain America son just don't)
From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
I don't see how it's relevant in any way to the discussion of Sriduangkaew. Seems pretty off-topic and thus a derail, to me.
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Date: 2014-10-19 03:43 pm (UTC)
dolorosa_12: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dolorosa_12
Thank you so, so, so much for writing this.

Date: 2014-10-19 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Another testimonial, very well-written: http://heyheyrenay.tumblr.com/post/100370010694/toward-zero

Comments on Polenth Blake's blog

Date: 2014-10-20 01:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
# Polenth Blake's post about abuse didn't specifically mention
# that it's wrong to abuse white people, therefore Blake thinks
# it's okay to abuse white people.
#Status: ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS. ARE YOU.
# Look, fellow white people. It's okay not to talk about us in
# every single post! Really it is! It doesn't mean someone's
# out to get us if we're not the topic of the conversation.

I'm not sure whether this refers to my statments on Polenth's blog (I'm calling her Polenth because 'Ms Blake' sounds somehow formal and aggressive in the current climate). Polenth has said she was making reference to other statements received on twitter, but I still feel that you might be responding to my posts.

First let me say that I (I'm Colum Paget) got into a fracas with RH in 2012, and it's been about the most significant experience of my life. I walked into something and got horribly attacked, mostly because I'm from a different class background from most people in SF&F, and I've never encountered this ideology that RH uses, and that most of SF&F subscribes to. I've never encountered anything like RH in my life before.

The attacks on me from RH had a very distinct racial and gender aspect to them. They also had support from many people on that basis. Most people that I know in SF&F trivialized them or told me they were my fault because, yes, I'm a cis-gendered-straight-white-male. I experienced the whole RH episode on that basis, and people around me confirmed that it was on that basis. Everything I saw coming from her was aimed at white people, and people in SF told me that this was okay because "There's no racism towards white people" (I'm not going to get into who all these people were, because it's not fair, they probably regret it now). I had no idea that she was attacking all kinds of people, and frankly I wouldn't have believed it, because the SF&F community has always claimed to be at least policing abuse to minorities and women. But the community has failed even by it's own standards here, it's failed completely.

My comments on Polenth's blog were not intended to imply that she was saying it's okay to attack men or white people (though over the years people did expressly make that argument to me about RH, but still that isn't what I ever thought Polenth was saying). Rather, what I'm saying is that we must operate in a moral framework that covers everyone, instead of trying to protect particular groups, because the latter framework can always be hacked by a clever attacker (which RH certainly is).

SF&F these days seems to believe in a moral heirarchy, and this is something that has enabled RH, who has always been able to postition herself in such a way as to claim that she's "Punching up" (I'm learning the language now). As a result the community has generally supported, or at least allowed, her abuse, because she can always justify it in political terms. Had we from the start refused to allow abusive behavior to anyone, regardless of age, race, gender, sexuality, whatever, then RH would never have been able to terrorize all the different people that she did.

The political framework of SF&F allowed RH to divide and rule by constantly seeming to side with one group against another. Over the past few years I've felt that no-one was interested in my situation because of my race and gender, and I'm now pretty sure that other people of other races and gender orientations felt the same way. Statements like the one I quote above will cause some of her victims who happen to be white, to think "You know what, I'm gonna stay silent, because no one wants to hear about me." I believe that to get the full picture we must clearly say that, whomever you were, if you were attacked, we take it seriously. Whomever you are.

Furthermore, in the end, the community itself bears a massive burden for this whole episode. RH was supported and cheered on by many people in SF as she instituted a reign of terror. To be honest I had once thought that she was young and impressionable, and that the community had pretty much made her, but the information that you give here disproves that. Still, we have to question why the SF&F community was uniquely vulnerable to being attacked by someone like RH, and how we prevent that happening again in the future.

The SF&F community has talked a lot of talk about diversity and being a safe space for all. I've seen people speak about how they're "Building something morally better than mainstream society". Such statements are beyond ridiculous. Every few months we have a new debacle that shows the community to be uniquely dysfunctional and dangerous. If any progress is to be made we need to change the way we think about inclusion and public behavior, because the current approach is not working. In fact it's disasterous.

Incidentally, RH has a storify here: https://storify.com/requireshate

The capatcha is asking me "The colour of a white T-shirt is?" I'm going to type "Ironic."
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